When Donald Trump stood up in front of a throng of reporters as well as loyal, cheering paid staffers Wednesday at Trump Tower in New York, there was the theatrical stack of folders of papers on the table next to the lectern, and there were the phrases that floated out of the mouth of his lawyer (âcompletely isolating himself from his business interests,â âno new foreign deals,â âhis sole business and interest is in making America great againâ), and there was what he said, too (âcould actually run my business and run the government at the same time,â âturning over complete and total control to my sons,â âI donât have to do thisâ) â but the fact of the matter of Donald Trumpâs news conference on Wednesday, his first as president-elect, which came nearly six months after his last, was this: Heâs not severing ties with his business. Heâs not divesting.
Even though numerous ethics experts, Republicans and Democrats alike, have called explicitly for Trump to adhere to the norms of the Oval Office and sell his business or establish a blind trust, his attorney issued a lengthy statement about why he wouldnât be doing that, and why it wasnât necessary, or even possible. âPresident-elect Trump,â Sheri Dillon said, âshould not be expected to destroy the company he built.â
But in interviews with POLITICO this week, people who have known, worked for and watched Trump closely for decades offered a different perspective, and one with potentially profound implications for his presidency. The reason, they said, is much simpler.
He canât let go.
âI think heâs incapable of seeing himself as anything other than the CEO of his company, said Trump biographer Wayne Barrett, who started writing about him in 1979 with a two-part investigation in the Village Voice. âHe can give up titles, but he just canât disengage from that. Itâs his identification â itâs his self-identification.â
âHeâs like a boy with his marbles,â fellow Trump biographer Tim OâBrien said. âHe just canât let go of a single marble in his collection.â
He canât let go, not completely, not in a way that is even close to commensurate with his presidential predecessors, because his personal identity is virtually synonymous with his professional interests. His name ⦠is his brand ⦠is his business. And beyond the evident, ongoing concerns about the temperament and overall disposition of the 45th president of the United States, or the nature of his relationship with Vladimir Putin and Russia, or even his volatile Twitter feed, this underscores maybe the most fundamental question heading into his administration: Whose interests is he serving, first and foremostâhis or ours? Who, in other words, is he working for? Never before has this been such a question because never before has there been a president remotely like Trump.
“He’s like a boy with his marbles. He just can’t let go of a single marble in his collection.” â Trump biographer Tim O’Brien
âMore than any person Iâve ever met, heâs focused on how things impact him,â said Bruce Nobles, the former president of Trump Shuttle, Trumpâs short-lived, ill-fated airline.
âHeâs like a pig hunting for truffles,â said Gwenda Blair, the author of The Trumps, a biography about him, his father and his grandfather.
âHeâs never worked for anybody but himself,â said Barbara Res, a former vice president at the Trump Organization who was a Trump Tower project manager. âI think he wants to keep everything he created because he created it â and why should anybody else get rich off it?â
âHe canât let go of his assets because thatâs his life,â Barrett added. âI mean, heâs spent his whole life creating this business, and I think he expects it to double in value in his first term even as he pretends to lay back in some ways.â
The conflation of the personal and professional has been a constant.
The first building he built he named after himself and moved in. That was Trump Tower, of course, in 1983. In 1984, he opened up a casino in Atlantic City and called it Trump Plaza. In 1985, he opened another casino, Trump Castle. In 1988, he bought the Eastern Airlines shuttle and renamed it the Trump Shuttle, and he bought a yacht he didnât even want and changed the boatâs name to Trump Princess. âTrophies,â he called them. âProps for the show,â he said in an interview with Playboy in 1990. And the show? âThe show is âTrump.ââ
That year, in his book Trump: Surviving at the Top, he put it like so: âThe Trump Organization is in some ways like the Disney Company. Images mean a great deal to me. If people donât associate my name with quality and success, Iâve got serious problems.â
âI am the chairman and president of The Trump Organization,â he wrote in 2004 in the first sentence of the first chapter of the first part of Trump: How to Get Rich. âI like saying that â¦â
âIn truth,â he admitted in 2007 in Trump: Think Like a Billionaire, âI am dazzled as much by my own creations as are the tourists and glamour hounds that flock to Trump Tower, the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, 40 Wall Street, or any of my other properties.â
So those who know him well and have watched him for a long time were all but certain how Wednesdayâs news conference would go.
âI just donât see how he is going to â after all these years of building and building the brand â how he is going to disassociate from all this,â former Atlantic City casino analyst Marvin Roffman said Monday. âDealing with him after many, many years, thatâs just my reading it. I donât think heâs ever going to have a totally blind trust kind of thing. It just isnât going to happen.â
“I am dazzled as much by my own creations as are the tourists and glamour hounds that flock” to them. â Donald Trump in his 2007 book Trump: Think Like a Billionaire
âJust being around him and seeing how proud he is of what heâs built and what itâs become,â said Sam Nunberg, a former political adviser, âif he doesnât have to technically leave it 100 percent, I donât think heâll completely divest.â
âNever,â Artie Nusbaum added. He was one of the bosses at the construction firm that erected Trump Tower. âHeâs never going to separate himself.â
They were right.
While his voters and supporters are confident, or at least hopeful, that Trump, the veteran, self-celebrated doer of deals, will soon begin making great ones on their behalf rather than on his own, those who actually have spent time with him and studied his track record possess a far more pessimistic take â that Trumpâs inability to make choices based on sound business sense rather than the desire to feed his ego actually has cost him and his shareholders, too.
In 1989, for instance, he could have saved himself some trouble by selling his large tract of land on Manhattanâs Upper West Side â the so-called West Side Yards â for more than half a billion dollars. But he couldnât bring himself to do it â and was forced by banks five years later to unload it for about $85 million.
âHeâs the worst seller ever,â a source told OâBrien for his book, TrumpNation. âThatâs why heâll constantly get hurt, because he just wonât let go.â
Trump could have sold his casinos, too, in 1996, according to OâBrienâs reporting. But he didnât, and the heavily leveraged publicly traded company never turned a profit from 1995 to 2005. His casinos were largely failures â but it was his shareholders who were left holding the bag. Trump, on the other hand, used the cash flow for other endeavors. âThe money I took out of there was incredible,â he said last June. âI made a lot of money in Atlantic City,â he Tweeted in July. It was his backers who lost.
âShareholders and bondholders have to be total fools ever to think that Donald Trump will put their interests ahead of his own,â financial columnist Allan Sloan wrote in Newsweek in 1997. Three years later, in Fortune, Jerry Useem called attention to Trumpâs predilection to âuse the casino company as his own personal piggy bank.â
Now his shareholders are not only his supporters but every American citizen. And when questions about his conflicts of interest keep coming up â and they will keep coming up â Trump will do what heâs always done. In spite of former campaign manager and current top adviser Kellyanne Conwayâs suggestion that people listen to âwhatâs in his heartâ instead of âwhatâs come out of his mouth,â whatâs come out of his mouth is hard to ignore. A mentee of the notorious Roy Cohn, Trump is a counterpuncher, and a vengeful one.
âWhen somebody hurts you, just go after them as viciously and violently as you can,â he advised in Trump: How to Get Rich. In his book three years later, Trump: Think Big, he called it âa good feeling.â
âThe advantage I have,â Trump said in Wednesdayâs news conference, âis I can speak back.â
âAs long as Iâve known him, he has never been able to take criticism of any kind,â said Nobles, the former Trump Shuttle president. âHeâs 70 years old. Youâd think at this point youâd be able to roll with the punches. But he never has.â
He defends his brand â his name and all that is attached to it â as vigorously as he promotes it. âItâs what he does,â said Scott Butera, a former CEO of Trumpâs casino company and now the commissioner of the Arena Football League. âHeâs not just going to let it go.â
Why not?
âThatâs just his style, and I think itâs something that wonât change,â said Nunberg, the former political adviser.
âPeople knew,â he said, âwho they were electing, right?â
Michael Kruse is a senior staff writer for POLITICO.